>> susan rice is nor interventionist. >> john kerry has been against intervening in every war. iraq, he was for it before he was against it. i think susan rice might go with juan and say the light footprint thing isn't working out. >> if one things we're in an incredibly dangerous moment thanks to the light footprint. maybe susan rice would be more alarmed than john kerr. >> chris: kirsten, do you think the president will name her? >> i don't know but if he does, it -- that kind of arrogance, could be his under doing because if she's put under oath and forced to go through and answer these questions about benghazi, it's going to put the administration in a bad position. i don't think she was the frontrunner. i don't understand where this came -- everything i heard was she was in the running but it was leaning more towards john kerry then we had a press conference where the president went off about susan rice and it's now become almost a sense of pride. >> chris: do you think he cornered himself, saying what he said and if he doesn't, it would look like he's caving. >> i think h